
Brian Crumbo, the head coach at North Oldham High School, shared his evaluation of the current set up for advancement to the state meet through the regional meet format. His observations say something about the current situation. There are obvious geographic restrictions in play. My simple observation was that I received results for a region with two teams participating and both teams advancing. So, there are some very valid points in Coach Crumbo's evaluation.
Thoughts while watching my fourth regional race of the day with less than 50 runners...
- If we only have this many runners in a regional, aren't there too many regions? Too many classes? The average size of a regional race this year was 51 girls and 62 boys. If regions are going to be this small, why make everybody choose 7 of their 10? Why not let all 10 run at the regional? Heck, why not let them run their entire roster? They'd all fit on the course.
- In the four region races we hosted, over 70% of those that ran qualified for state. What's the point, really, of having a regional when you don't narrow the field very much? Overall, 64% of full girls teams and 66% of all girls runners who ran in a regional qualified for the state meet. For boys, it was 57% of teams and 61% of all runners. Will the Horse Park course hold 462 runners, which would be the largest total runners (AAA boys) if we just did away with regionals and let everybody go to state? I feel like this is the direction we're going. Or should qualifying for state be a little tougher than being in the top 2/3 of the teams in the state?
- The new qualifying procedure is good in that teams know before race day what they have to do to qualify. But it's easily manipulated to get more teams from a region in. Why wouldn't coaches in a region get together and agree that everybody enters a full team, even if they don't plan to run one, just to maximize qualifying teams?
Coach Crumbo has compiled the data from the last three years as it relates to the advancement of teams from the regional meet to the state meet. Below you will find that information.
2017 Girls
|
Schools |
Full Teams |
Partial Teams |
Total Teams |
% Teams Participating |
Teams Qualifying |
% Full Teams Qualifying |
Total Runners |
Runners Qualifying |
% Runners Qualifying |
1A |
15 |
4 |
5 |
8 |
53.3% |
3 |
75.0% |
33 |
22 |
66.7% |
2A |
18 |
5 |
5 |
10 |
55.6% |
4 |
80.0% |
46 |
32 |
69.6% |
3A |
14 |
5 |
3 |
8 |
57.1% |
3 |
60.0% |
38 |
26 |
68.4% |
4A |
17 |
9 |
3 |
12 |
70.6% |
5 |
55.6% |
64 |
40 |
62.5% |
5A |
19 |
7 |
7 |
14 |
73.7% |
5 |
71.4% |
57 |
37 |
64.9% |
6A |
22 |
4 |
8 |
12 |
54.5% |
3 |
75.0% |
45 |
24 |
53.3% |
7A |
19 |
5 |
6 |
11 |
57.9% |
4 |
80.0% |
48 |
33 |
68.8% |
Total |
124 |
39 |
37 |
75 |
60.5% |
27 |
69.2% |
331 |
214 |
64.7% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AA |
8 |
5 |
2 |
7 |
87.5% |
3 |
60.0% |
37 |
26 |
70.3% |
2AA |
17 |
10 |
6 |
16 |
94.1% |
6 |
60.0% |
79 |
45 |
57.0% |
3AA |
11 |
5 |
3 |
8 |
72.7% |
4 |
80.0% |
41 |
31 |
75.6% |
4AA |
9 |
6 |
1 |
7 |
77.8% |
4 |
66.7% |
43 |
33 |
76.7% |
5AA |
14 |
7 |
5 |
12 |
85.7% |
4 |
57.1% |
54 |
32 |
59.3% |
6AA |
9 |
6 |
2 |
8 |
88.9% |
4 |
66.7% |
47 |
33 |
70.2% |
7AA |
10 |
2 |
3 |
5 |
50.0% |
2 |
100.0% |
17 |
17 |
100.0% |
Total |
78 |
41 |
22 |
63 |
80.8% |
27 |
65.9% |
318 |
217 |
68.2% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AAA |
11 |
9 |
1 |
10 |
90.9% |
5 |
55.6% |
61 |
40 |
65.6% |
2AAA |
10 |
9 |
1 |
10 |
100.0% |
5 |
55.6% |
64 |
39 |
60.9% |
3AAA |
13 |
7 |
3 |
10 |
76.9% |
5 |
71.4% |
57 |
39 |
68.4% |
4AAA |
12 |
9 |
0 |
9 |
75.0% |
5 |
55.6% |
60 |
40 |
66.7% |
5AAA |
10 |
8 |
1 |
9 |
90.0% |
5 |
62.5% |
58 |
40 |
69.0% |
6AAA |
11 |
10 |
1 |
11 |
100.0% |
5 |
50.0% |
69 |
40 |
58.0% |
7AAA |
10 |
8 |
2 |
10 |
100.0% |
5 |
62.5% |
56 |
40 |
71.4% |
Total |
77 |
60 |
9 |
69 |
89.6% |
35 |
58.3% |
425 |
278 |
65.4% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total |
279 |
140 |
68 |
207 |
74.2% |
89 |
63.6% |
1074 |
709 |
66.0% |
2017 Boys
|
Schools |
Full Teams |
Partial Teams |
Total Teams |
% Teams Participating |
Teams Qualifying |
% Full Teams Qualifying |
Total Runners |
Runners Qualifying |
% Runners Qualifying |
1A |
15 |
6 |
4 |
10 |
66.7% |
4 |
66.7% |
51 |
33 |
64.7% |
2A |
18 |
8 |
4 |
12 |
66.7% |
5 |
62.5% |
62 |
35 |
56.5% |
3A |
14 |
4 |
3 |
7 |
50.0% |
3 |
75.0% |
38 |
26 |
68.4% |
4A |
17 |
13 |
0 |
13 |
76.5% |
6 |
46.2% |
87 |
47 |
54.0% |
5A |
19 |
9 |
7 |
16 |
84.2% |
6 |
66.7% |
68 |
44 |
64.7% |
6A |
22 |
9 |
7 |
16 |
72.7% |
6 |
66.7% |
81 |
45 |
55.6% |
7A |
19 |
7 |
5 |
12 |
63.2% |
4 |
57.1% |
59 |
32 |
54.2% |
Total |
124 |
56 |
30 |
86 |
69.4% |
34 |
60.7% |
446 |
262 |
58.7% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AA |
8 |
6 |
1 |
7 |
87.5% |
4 |
66.7% |
45 |
33 |
73.3% |
2AA |
17 |
13 |
3 |
16 |
94.1% |
6 |
46.2% |
96 |
46 |
47.9% |
3AA |
11 |
7 |
2 |
9 |
81.8% |
5 |
71.4% |
49 |
36 |
73.5% |
4AA |
9 |
8 |
1 |
9 |
100.0% |
5 |
62.5% |
58 |
40 |
69.0% |
5AA |
14 |
12 |
1 |
13 |
92.9% |
6 |
50.0% |
80 |
46 |
57.5% |
6AA |
9 |
7 |
0 |
7 |
77.8% |
4 |
57.1% |
45 |
32 |
71.1% |
7AA |
10 |
2 |
3 |
5 |
50.0% |
2 |
100.0% |
22 |
18 |
81.8% |
Total |
78 |
55 |
11 |
66 |
84.6% |
32 |
58.2% |
395 |
251 |
63.5% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AAA |
11 |
10 |
1 |
11 |
100.0% |
5 |
50.0% |
72 |
40 |
55.6% |
2AAA |
10 |
10 |
0 |
10 |
100.0% |
5 |
50.0% |
69 |
40 |
58.0% |
3AAA |
13 |
10 |
2 |
12 |
92.3% |
5 |
50.0% |
65 |
40 |
61.5% |
4AAA |
12 |
8 |
0 |
8 |
66.7% |
5 |
62.5% |
54 |
38 |
70.4% |
5AAA |
10 |
9 |
0 |
9 |
90.0% |
5 |
55.6% |
61 |
40 |
65.6% |
6AAA |
11 |
11 |
0 |
11 |
100.0% |
6 |
54.5% |
75 |
45 |
60.0% |
7AAA |
10 |
9 |
1 |
10 |
100.0% |
5 |
55.6% |
66 |
40 |
60.6% |
Total |
77 |
67 |
4 |
71 |
92.2% |
36 |
53.7% |
462 |
283 |
61.3% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total |
279 |
178 |
45 |
223 |
79.9% |
102 |
57.3% |
1303 |
796 |
61.1% |
2016 Girls
|
Schools |
Full Teams |
Partial Teams |
Total Teams |
% Teams Participating |
Teams Qualifying |
% Full Teams Qualifying |
Total Runners |
Runners Qualifying |
% Runners Qualifying |
1A |
15 |
3 |
3 |
6 |
40.0% |
2 |
66.7% |
24 |
18 |
75.0% |
2A |
14 |
6 |
2 |
8 |
57.1% |
3 |
50.0% |
39 |
25 |
64.1% |
3A |
19 |
7 |
6 |
13 |
68.4% |
4 |
57.1% |
56 |
32 |
57.1% |
4A |
17 |
9 |
3 |
12 |
70.6% |
4 |
44.4% |
64 |
33 |
51.6% |
5A |
17 |
6 |
6 |
12 |
70.6% |
3 |
50.0% |
51 |
26 |
51.0% |
6A |
12 |
4 |
5 |
9 |
75.0% |
3 |
75.0% |
30 |
21 |
70.0% |
7A |
30 |
7 |
8 |
15 |
50.0% |
4 |
57.1% |
58 |
32 |
55.2% |
Total |
124 |
42 |
33 |
75 |
60.5% |
23 |
54.8% |
322 |
187 |
58.1% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AA |
8 |
6 |
1 |
7 |
87.5% |
3 |
50.0% |
37 |
23 |
62.2% |
2AA |
16 |
10 |
5 |
15 |
93.8% |
4 |
40.0% |
78 |
39 |
50.0% |
3AA |
13 |
7 |
4 |
11 |
84.6% |
4 |
57.1% |
50 |
33 |
66.0% |
4AA |
9 |
6 |
3 |
9 |
100.0% |
3 |
50.0% |
49 |
25 |
51.0% |
5AA |
12 |
7 |
4 |
11 |
91.7% |
4 |
57.1% |
52 |
30 |
57.7% |
6AA |
11 |
7 |
2 |
9 |
81.8% |
4 |
57.1% |
51 |
33 |
64.7% |
7AA |
11 |
4 |
5 |
9 |
81.8% |
3 |
75.0% |
40 |
25 |
62.5% |
Total |
80 |
47 |
24 |
71 |
88.8% |
25 |
53.2% |
357 |
208 |
58.3% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AAA |
11 |
7 |
4 |
11 |
100.0% |
4 |
57.1% |
56 |
33 |
58.9% |
2AAA |
9 |
8 |
1 |
9 |
100.0% |
4 |
50.0% |
54 |
33 |
61.1% |
3AAA |
11 |
5 |
4 |
9 |
81.8% |
3 |
60.0% |
49 |
26 |
53.1% |
4AAA |
13 |
8 |
3 |
11 |
84.6% |
4 |
50.0% |
61 |
33 |
54.1% |
5AAA |
10 |
9 |
0 |
9 |
90.0% |
4 |
44.4% |
59 |
32 |
54.2% |
6AAA |
10 |
9 |
1 |
10 |
100.0% |
4 |
44.4% |
63 |
32 |
50.8% |
7AAA |
10 |
8 |
1 |
9 |
90.0% |
4 |
50.0% |
56 |
33 |
58.9% |
Total |
74 |
54 |
14 |
68 |
91.9% |
27 |
50.0% |
398 |
222 |
55.8% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total |
278 |
143 |
71 |
214 |
77.0% |
75 |
52.4% |
1077 |
617 |
57.3% |
2016 Boys
|
Schools |
Full Teams |
Partial Teams |
Total Teams |
% Teams Participating |
Teams Qualifying |
% Full Teams Qualifying |
Total Runners |
Runners Qualifying |
% Runners Qualifying |
1A |
15 |
5 |
3 |
8 |
53.3% |
3 |
60.0% |
39 |
25 |
64.1% |
2A |
14 |
6 |
2 |
8 |
57.1% |
3 |
50.0% |
44 |
26 |
59.1% |
3A |
19 |
7 |
4 |
11 |
57.9% |
4 |
57.1% |
57 |
33 |
57.9% |
4A |
17 |
11 |
2 |
13 |
76.5% |
5 |
45.5% |
79 |
40 |
50.6% |
5A |
17 |
8 |
4 |
12 |
70.6% |
4 |
50.0% |
61 |
33 |
54.1% |
6A |
12 |
6 |
5 |
11 |
91.7% |
3 |
50.0% |
49 |
26 |
53.1% |
7A |
30 |
9 |
8 |
17 |
56.7% |
4 |
44.4% |
83 |
33 |
39.8% |
Total |
124 |
52 |
28 |
80 |
64.5% |
26 |
50.0% |
412 |
216 |
52.4% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AA |
8 |
6 |
2 |
8 |
100.0% |
3 |
50.0% |
44 |
27 |
61.4% |
2AA |
16 |
12 |
3 |
15 |
93.8% |
5 |
41.7% |
90 |
40 |
44.4% |
3AA |
13 |
9 |
3 |
12 |
92.3% |
4 |
44.4% |
69 |
32 |
46.4% |
4AA |
9 |
8 |
0 |
8 |
88.9% |
4 |
50.0% |
54 |
33 |
61.1% |
5AA |
12 |
9 |
2 |
11 |
91.7% |
4 |
44.4% |
62 |
33 |
53.2% |
6AA |
11 |
7 |
1 |
8 |
72.7% |
4 |
57.1% |
50 |
38 |
76.0% |
7AA |
11 |
7 |
2 |
9 |
81.8% |
4 |
57.1% |
55 |
33 |
60.0% |
Total |
80 |
58 |
13 |
71 |
88.8% |
28 |
48.3% |
424 |
236 |
55.7% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AAA |
11 |
10 |
0 |
10 |
90.9% |
5 |
50.0% |
69 |
40 |
58.0% |
2AAA |
9 |
8 |
1 |
9 |
100.0% |
4 |
50.0% |
59 |
33 |
55.9% |
3AAA |
11 |
7 |
4 |
11 |
100.0% |
4 |
57.1% |
58 |
39 |
67.2% |
4AAA |
13 |
9 |
1 |
10 |
76.9% |
4 |
44.4% |
63 |
33 |
52.4% |
5AAA |
10 |
9 |
0 |
9 |
90.0% |
4 |
44.4% |
62 |
33 |
53.2% |
6AAA |
10 |
10 |
0 |
10 |
100.0% |
5 |
50.0% |
70 |
40 |
57.1% |
7AAA |
10 |
9 |
1 |
10 |
100.0% |
4 |
44.4% |
65 |
33 |
50.8% |
Total |
74 |
62 |
7 |
69 |
93.2% |
30 |
48.4% |
446 |
251 |
56.3% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total |
278 |
172 |
48 |
220 |
79.1% |
84 |
48.8% |
1282 |
703 |
54.8% |
2015 Girls
|
Schools |
Full Teams |
Partial Teams |
Total Teams |
% Teams Participating |
Teams Qualifying |
% Full Teams Qualifying |
Total Runners |
Runners Qualifying |
% Runners Qualifying |
1A |
15 |
2 |
6 |
8 |
53.3% |
2 |
100.0% |
24 |
17 |
70.8% |
2A |
14 |
4 |
5 |
9 |
64.3% |
3 |
75.0% |
32 |
26 |
81.3% |
3A |
19 |
6 |
5 |
11 |
57.9% |
3 |
50.0% |
49 |
26 |
53.1% |
4A |
17 |
11 |
1 |
12 |
70.6% |
5 |
45.5% |
72 |
40 |
55.6% |
5A |
17 |
7 |
3 |
10 |
58.8% |
4 |
57.1% |
51 |
33 |
64.7% |
6A |
12 |
1 |
6 |
7 |
58.3% |
1 |
100.0% |
20 |
12 |
60.0% |
7A |
30 |
7 |
8 |
15 |
50.0% |
4 |
57.1% |
65 |
32 |
49.2% |
Total |
124 |
38 |
34 |
72 |
58.1% |
22 |
57.9% |
313 |
186 |
59.4% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AA |
8 |
6 |
1 |
7 |
87.5% |
3 |
50.0% |
39 |
23 |
59.0% |
2AA |
16 |
9 |
6 |
15 |
93.8% |
4 |
44.4% |
76 |
32 |
42.1% |
3AA |
13 |
6 |
3 |
9 |
69.2% |
3 |
50.0% |
45 |
25 |
55.6% |
4AA |
9 |
6 |
3 |
9 |
100.0% |
3 |
50.0% |
44 |
26 |
59.1% |
5AA |
12 |
9 |
1 |
10 |
83.3% |
4 |
44.4% |
61 |
33 |
54.1% |
6AA |
11 |
7 |
2 |
9 |
81.8% |
4 |
57.1% |
54 |
33 |
61.1% |
7AA |
11 |
4 |
4 |
8 |
72.7% |
3 |
75.0% |
39 |
26 |
66.7% |
Total |
80 |
47 |
20 |
67 |
83.8% |
24 |
51.1% |
358 |
198 |
55.3% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AAA |
11 |
9 |
2 |
11 |
100.0% |
4 |
44.4% |
65 |
33 |
50.8% |
2AAA |
9 |
8 |
0 |
8 |
88.9% |
4 |
50.0% |
54 |
33 |
61.1% |
3AAA |
11 |
7 |
2 |
9 |
81.8% |
4 |
57.1% |
52 |
33 |
63.5% |
4AAA |
13 |
8 |
2 |
10 |
76.9% |
4 |
50.0% |
61 |
33 |
54.1% |
5AAA |
10 |
9 |
0 |
9 |
90.0% |
4 |
44.4% |
62 |
33 |
53.2% |
6AAA |
10 |
9 |
1 |
10 |
100.0% |
4 |
44.4% |
62 |
33 |
53.2% |
7AAA |
10 |
8 |
1 |
9 |
90.0% |
4 |
50.0% |
54 |
32 |
59.3% |
Total |
74 |
58 |
8 |
66 |
89.2% |
28 |
48.3% |
410 |
230 |
56.1% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total |
278 |
143 |
62 |
205 |
73.7% |
74 |
51.7% |
1081 |
614 |
56.8% |
2015 Boys
|
Schools |
Full Teams |
Partial Teams |
Total Teams |
% Teams Participating |
Teams Qualifying |
% Full Teams Qualifying |
Total Runners |
Runners Qualifying |
% Runners Qualifying |
1A |
15 |
6 |
3 |
9 |
60.0% |
3 |
50.0% |
45 |
25 |
55.6% |
2A |
14 |
6 |
4 |
10 |
71.4% |
3 |
50.0% |
50 |
25 |
50.0% |
3A |
19 |
8 |
5 |
13 |
68.4% |
4 |
50.0% |
62 |
33 |
53.2% |
4A |
17 |
12 |
1 |
13 |
76.5% |
5 |
41.7% |
82 |
40 |
48.8% |
5A |
17 |
7 |
7 |
14 |
82.4% |
4 |
57.1% |
61 |
33 |
54.1% |
6A |
12 |
5 |
6 |
11 |
91.7% |
3 |
60.0% |
46 |
26 |
56.5% |
7A |
30 |
11 |
5 |
16 |
53.3% |
5 |
45.5% |
81 |
39 |
48.1% |
Total |
124 |
55 |
31 |
86 |
69.4% |
27 |
49.1% |
427 |
221 |
51.8% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AA |
8 |
5 |
2 |
7 |
87.5% |
3 |
60.0% |
40 |
26 |
65.0% |
2AA |
16 |
11 |
4 |
15 |
93.8% |
5 |
45.5% |
85 |
40 |
47.1% |
3AA |
13 |
7 |
3 |
10 |
76.9% |
4 |
57.1% |
56 |
33 |
58.9% |
4AA |
9 |
7 |
2 |
9 |
100.0% |
4 |
57.1% |
56 |
33 |
58.9% |
5AA |
12 |
10 |
2 |
12 |
100.0% |
5 |
50.0% |
72 |
40 |
55.6% |
6AA |
11 |
8 |
2 |
10 |
90.9% |
4 |
50.0% |
54 |
33 |
61.1% |
7AA |
11 |
8 |
2 |
10 |
90.9% |
4 |
50.0% |
56 |
33 |
58.9% |
Total |
80 |
56 |
17 |
73 |
91.3% |
29 |
51.8% |
419 |
238 |
56.8% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1AAA |
11 |
10 |
0 |
10 |
90.9% |
5 |
50.0% |
70 |
40 |
57.1% |
2AAA |
9 |
9 |
0 |
9 |
100.0% |
4 |
44.4% |
62 |
33 |
53.2% |
3AAA |
11 |
7 |
3 |
10 |
90.9% |
4 |
57.1% |
61 |
33 |
54.1% |
4AAA |
13 |
9 |
0 |
9 |
69.2% |
4 |
44.4% |
62 |
33 |
53.2% |
5AAA |
10 |
9 |
0 |
9 |
90.0% |
4 |
44.4% |
63 |
33 |
52.4% |
6AAA |
10 |
10 |
0 |
10 |
100.0% |
5 |
50.0% |
69 |
40 |
58.0% |
7AAA |
10 |
7 |
3 |
10 |
100.0% |
4 |
57.1% |
60 |
33 |
55.0% |
Total |
74 |
61 |
6 |
67 |
90.5% |
30 |
49.2% |
447 |
245 |
54.8% |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total |
278 |
172 |
54 |
226 |
81.3% |
86 |
50.0% |
1293 |
704 |
54.4% |